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welcome back to the channel guys I hope

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everyone is doing well I can see there's

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quite a few people here in the live chat

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so thank you for being here I really

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appreciate it I'm really looking forward

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to my guest joining me today he has been

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on the show before and it's always a

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fascinating conversation so if any of

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you guys are watching in the live chat

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do have a question then please pop in

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capital letters I'll do my best to ask

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it or at least highlight it and

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potentially save it for a later point in

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the interview

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so yeah let's let's just get straight to

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it um like I said this is a returning

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guest and this is going to be great so

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please welcome back Dr Michael Masters

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Mike how are you

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good how are you doing Bernie good to

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see you again you too my friend yeah

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good thanks I think the first thing I'd

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like to do is just um as you're a

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professor of biological anthropology I'd

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like to know in your opinion of what the

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main links are between anthropology in

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general and the UFO subject

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hmm that's a good question I mean uh I

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could identify a few

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one in particular is uh our method of

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approaching questions like this

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um you know obviously this phenomenon

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doesn't lend itself to strict scientific

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rigor application of the scientific

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method hypothesis testing standards of

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evidence things like that so we we've

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been Limited in this field from uh

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really the beginning but mostly since

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the 70s when some rules went into place

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to protect human subjects which was

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obviously a good thing

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um so we can't experiment on humans we

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have to use methods that allow us to

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observe and study and try to develop

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hypotheses that can be tested with

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observational data which is still you

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know it's a rigorous scientific Pursuit

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um you don't you don't have cause and

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effect in the same way that you can

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isolate all variables in a laboratory

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setting but we can account for a number

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of variables and try to come up with

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explanations for things that are based

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on on sound data and sound results from

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analyzing that data so I think that's

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um I try to use that approach in my last

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uh drawing from an abductive approach

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where you try to make inference to the

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best explanation based on uh the things

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that you can observe and look for

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patterns across those those things the

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phenomenon as a whole really

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um but then also like my my main

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looking at the physiology the evolution

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of our morphological form

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um which was a big part of why I'm drawn

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to this time travel explanation because

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the main Trends in human evolution are

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are expanding neural cortex or expanding

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brain also the change in shape where it

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moves out over our eyes and expands

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medial laterally which occurs in concert

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with our mid and lower facial Anatomy

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shrinking back all of that has occurred

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in association with us standing upright

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walking by Peter Lee so if we look at

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that Trend over the last six to eight

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million years project that forward we

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are likely to look more and more like

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these what I think are are more distant

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evolutionary descendants these

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quintessential gray alien forms with a

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tetrapods so I think the biological side

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trends when talking about the beans but

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can be useful for really trying to

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the behavior of the craft the beans the

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things that they're reported doing so

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time you came on the show I think you

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just had the one book out which was

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identified flying objects which I think

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was published in 2019 and obviously

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tempestral model so you're able to talk

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us through how your theory evolved from

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um and and really A lot of it was just

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overlooking things not really knowing

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the right questions to ask and that's

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perception as more information and more

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data becomes available so in the first

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book that was mostly rooted in this

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anthropological approach not just

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beings but also the craft themselves and

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indicate the function of backward time

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uh which was the main theme in the

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second book as well but then also

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drawing from astrobiology astronomy and

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physics because any one field can't help

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explain all of the nuances of what's

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going on here so it was really an

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attempt at a multi-disciplinary approach

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what we know about what life on other

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planets might look like uh potential

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problems with beans developing evolving

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on a different planet with all of these

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different variables that shape their own

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evolutionary history problems with

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getting between different star systems

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or even finding life on other star

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in the physics of Time time travel what

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little we know about time and how that

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wrap it all together to make a case for

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why we should consider this time travel

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too deep into the UFO question itself

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and especially not with regard to the uh

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the Abduction the close encounters which

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really tried to look across a number of

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different case studies I think in total

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focusing on 15

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individual well-vetted well understood

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cases that don't just adhere to this

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time travel model but also ones that you

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know show some variation throws some

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wrenches on those cogs as well because

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it's important to consider all of the

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evidence and um yeah just highlighting

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some things I overlooked with regard to

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the first book just things I didn't know

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that people pointed out to me seemingly

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obvious things like the rule of AI the

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role of genetic modification in the

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human future disease transmission and

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the way that the manipulation of time

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might help explain the g-forces and what

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might be nothing to them just because of

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within and then outside of that craft so

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different approach but still bring in

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learned going from the first to the

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second book yeah thank you and there's a

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few things you said there that I have

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I'm going to start by asking how you

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account for things like paradoxes

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timeline effects timeline changes the

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butterfly effect I saw someone here in

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Paradox how do you account for all of

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those when discussing the uh the time

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travel part of things well they're kind

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of moot to be honest there really are no

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paradoxes if you conceptualize this

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phenomenon in the context of the black

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Universe model because there is no

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change it's really only once you

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you start to get paradoxes and within

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the block Universe there there is no

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ability to change anything because all

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very end of time and space and all

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experience so in moving in and around

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that 4D block you're not changing

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anything you're just doing what you had

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before or after you're present all of it

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is going to be the pass to someone in

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your future and nothing's going to

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change they're just going to see the

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interlinking of all of these different

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events that were always linked it's just

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when you interject your Consciousness

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into it and the way we perceive the flow

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of time it feels like something that

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you're doing in the past is in your

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future but really it's it's already in

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the past it already exists there as

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thing that's already been done and once

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worlds interpretation or these

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multiverses or multiple timelines that

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paradox where you can't actually have a

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change that affects something in a

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different way in this butterfly effect

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timeline where everything's

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fundamentally different but the most

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conventional explanation for time is the

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time and it just makes the most sense

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um you know it it's important to

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recognize that that may not be the case

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you know we we don't know really what

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time is fundamentally we think it's an

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emergent phenomenon there's something

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much more fundamental that we haven't

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yet accounted for

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that but what I did was just try to take

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what we know now and apply that

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knowledge to this question but obviously

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you know it's more information presents

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itself we may have to change that but

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honestly the block Universe model

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landscape time it does make the most

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um I think it does help really explain

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what's happening and how they're moving

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about the the past and you know our

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future in their past Without Really

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interjecting any major changes I don't

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think it's really a factor that we need

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to to worry about too much yeah

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beings and what relation could there be

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between AI could it be like an

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artificial biological intelligence like

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where does that fit in in what you've

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looked at

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I think it's certainly a possibility I

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mean we're we're already doing it we're

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already making things that are looking

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more and more like fully functional

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automatons and and doing them in our own

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image too I mean that's something that

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we would expect to do not just for the

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sex robot industry which I think

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probably is a driver in a lot of this

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and sex drives a lot of things but just

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because we are this we know what we are

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and to make something that can help us

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having the same physiological form as us

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will allow it to do many of the same

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things so I think we will probably

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create uh AI robots in our form at least

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something that looks similar to us maybe

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is indistinguishable from us that could

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perform some of the tasks that they do

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especially the more dangerous tasks and

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abductions like like Whitley strieber

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when he was abducted from his cabin in

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New York described a robot like Droid

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that looked very much like these shorter

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Grays coming at him and

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um you know I think it made him fall

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back asleep or something I forget the

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exact details but then then you have in

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the Pascagoula case uh with Parker and

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Hixson where it's a full-on robot

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doesn't really look like a human at all

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had like antennas and elephant skin and

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just kind of floated but there were

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humans on that ship Calvin Parker

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described scene fully formed modern

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humans just like us on that ship so that

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may be a case where they sent this thing

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out to do the dirty work for him

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especially with two full-grown men are

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freaked out about what's happening you

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would expect that

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um one other thing I've been thinking

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about recently with regard to ai2 is is

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how it might not be a coincidence that

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uh this seemingly different path toward

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disclosure and obviously you could argue

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that we've been down this road many

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times and we start to get glimpses that

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we get pulled back but this one if it is

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different it does seem to correlate with

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a very rapid evolution of our artificial

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intelligence technology and you can't

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help but wonder if that might be

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something that signals to these visitors

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that wow they're they're making

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something that's more intelligent than

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themselves you know like how as far as

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looking for cues as to whether or not we

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might be ready for contact or disclosure

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or whatever you want to call it if we

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start making something that's arguably

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as intelligent or more intelligent than

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us

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I I don't know what other red flag you

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could throw up that's going to indicate

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that so yeah I don't know if that's a

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coincidence or if there's something

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behind that but I do find it an

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interesting correlate

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yeah and I mean you mentioned Whitley

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strieber there and you know there's been

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a lot of really well a lot of abduction

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stories both big cases that we know

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about and then thousands of others and

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you know if these

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entities are coming back in time and

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abducting people why do you think that

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might be in your sort of speculative

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opinion what are they what are they what

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could they be doing

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well I think it's multifaceted they're

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probably doing it for a lot of different

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reasons

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um there's the obvious one that no I

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always try to to throw out my my own

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biases where they seem to be doing the

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same thing I would do as an

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anthropologist especially a biological

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paleoanthropologist where they're trying

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to learn about their distant past study

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the physiology of the genetics the you

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know the teeth the skin the blood

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um and that does seem to be a part of it

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but then you also have reports I

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highlighted a couple in my most recent

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book where they seem to be

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uh very clearly focused on the Ecology

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of Earth so studying the life forums

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they explicitly stated to a couple

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contactees that they're studying uh

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toxicity and environmental degradation

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because we're getting ourselves deeper

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in trouble as they said and then again

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why would they care if this isn't there

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too if they don't have it after us if

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they have their own Planet somewhere

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else it's hard to argue why they would

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necessarily be

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doing any of those things or why they

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would even care but then I think

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probably the main one has to do with uh

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our genetics or DNA and most likely

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their DNA too because that is arguably

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one of the most

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um prolific or ubiquitous aspects of

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this phenomenon is that they're picking

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people up and taking sperm from males

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um eggs from females

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growing fetuses and extracting those and

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females but also using exogenesis

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Chambers it's reported a lot especially

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in these large triangular crafts or the

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large triangular craft if there is only

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one

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where there's reports of these long rows

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of incubating fetuses that look very

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human but with slightly bigger eyes

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bigger heads so you know there's a lot

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of questions that would obviously stem

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from that what's the reasoning behind

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that why are they doing it exactly how

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are they doing it from what time periods

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are they sampling gametes and using

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those gametes what's the purpose of

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these hybrids what's their role in this

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whole thing but that is arguably one of

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the

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that plays in I talked about this a lot

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in my second book and especially with

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regard to the question of the many

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worlds interpretation different

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timelines or the block universe is what

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if there is a coming apocalypse or

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catastrophe which is something we've

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been discussing in the space for a

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couple years

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uh Frank milber and Roscoe art have been

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talking about this a lot and it is

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something to consider and if that is the

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case one would expect that we would see

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exactly that that we would see our

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future descendants or anyone who cares

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about

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um the human genome coming and taking a

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lot of our genes prior to a huge

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bottleneck where you have a number of

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those genes disappear where you have

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relatively little genetic variation

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after a number of humans die relative to

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a broad range of genetic variation in

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the human genome prior to that that

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cataclysm so I think I think that's

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something to keep in mind too and may

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help explain why there's such a focus an

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intense focus on on chromosomes but I

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list a number of other reasons outside

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the cataclysm idea as to why they may be

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doing that simple trends that we can see

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throughout human history with regard to

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infertility reduced fecundity

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um people choosing to have fewer

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children toxicity in our environment we

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see a 50 percent decrease in sperm

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counts over the last 50 years 60 percent

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decrease in the last 40 years among

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individuals in the Western World which

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are more polluted in many ways

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um so just you know any number of things

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that might help explain that but I do

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think the cataclysm one is something to

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keep on the table too yeah absolutely

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and you mentioning that about genes and

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DNA do you think in this sort of early

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evolution of homo sapien and possibly

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even other Harmony species that there

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may have been some type of manipulation

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potentially by these entities

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it's possible I mean I don't know

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how

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identify that that it's it's recent that

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we've even become aware of the fact that

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we could extract ancient DNA from some

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of our uh direct ancestors or closely

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related ones like Neanderthals but but

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there's a number of limitations in

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polymerase Chain Reaction can help you

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sort of get a bigger sample but there's

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issues with contamination and just not

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having a represented genome you only

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have certain aspects of the genome so

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you can't really map the entire thing

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and see what anomalies might be there

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but at some point maybe we'll be able to

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answer that question I I try not to

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speculate too much about what they're

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doing to us I think it's more about what

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they're doing for themselves I think

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that the DNA they take from us is to

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help them more than it is to necessarily

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change us or do something to us

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yeah I think I'm just going to jump to a

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couple of questions from the the live

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chat here Mr Calhoun uh with the five

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euro donation as well you might have

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answered this one in there but it said

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could we detect Time Travelers by the

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biological microbiotic contamination

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some may have accidentally caused

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yeah possibly but I do think from

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reports over they go out of their way to

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ensure there is not any sort of disease

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transmission or contamination I

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highlight a number of cases in the

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extrateral model where they make anyone

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that comes on the ship either strip

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naked go through this decontamination

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chamber and put on clothes that they

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give them or you know like like with um

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Antonio vs Boaz how he was strip naked

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white down in this probably antiseptic

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type solution

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so I mean it's the same thing with

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chimpanzees we we wear masks around

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chimpanzees and you know we ensure that

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we're not communicable with some virus

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or bacteria because as our closest

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living relative disease transmission is

519
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much more likely to happen between us

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which is where we got HIV as an example

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and many others do noticed diseases that

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come from other animals like Pigs we're

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closely related to pigs or at least have

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similar genetics so we can get more

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diseases with them uh bats being mammals

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with rabies whereas Birds can't carry

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that so the closer you are to an

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individual maybe this is another

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indication that they're human too that

530
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they do seem to be more concerned about

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interjecting

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um any sort of negative virus bacteria

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parasite it's not likely they have

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parasites in the future but any of those

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things so I think it's probably

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something they're cautious of and I

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don't think it's likely to happen but I

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mean the crash the hell out of these

539
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crafts too so clearly they're infallible

540
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and not perfect with everything so

541
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something could always slip through the

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cracks yeah for sure a question here

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from yin yang what does Dr Masters think

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of the infamous slide 9 and its

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implications

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slide nine uh I don't know what that is

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all right so in the original a tip

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slides there was a slide down with a

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list of things

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was that the like the five observables

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was that no it was kind of something

552
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similar along those lines it was a list

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of certain uh things that they kind of

554
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:03,299
were looking into during 80 but hey if

555
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:04,620
you're not familiar with that's fine you

556
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:07,140
know I'll send you it oh please on that

557
00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:09,000
one I'll send it to you later after the

558
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:10,500
interview yeah we'll look into it I

559
00:22:14,210 --> 00:22:12,360
always do try to follow up on stuff I

560
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,220
don't know about yeah it's it's

561
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:15,840
definitely interesting I'll tell you

562
00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:18,120
that definitely so

563
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:19,620
um another one for Mr Calhoun and again

564
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:21,000
thank you so much for your generous

565
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,140
donation

566
00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:24,840
um Dolan's alien agendas vaguely implies

567
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,179
that an ancient human group may have

568
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:29,760
been abducted and evolved instead into

569
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:32,700
the Grays based on Dr C Clement's work

570
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,640
and partly DNA from P Cory's case

571
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,490
I've been abducted and

572
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,149
um

573
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:47,039
yeah I haven't read that book so I don't

574
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,500
know exactly but

575
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:52,140
based on the question I mean if that's

576
00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:55,860
related to the whole sort of uh

577
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,220
like splitting off Divergent human Group

578
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,159
which I hear a lot

579
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:04,080
um and have more recently I don't I'm

580
00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:05,520
not sure why there's probably something

581
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:07,620
that happened that made people talk

582
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:09,539
about that more but

583
00:23:15,409 --> 00:23:12,659
um yeah the way that was phrased is

584
00:23:18,409 --> 00:23:15,419
something I might consider more than the

585
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,419
way it's usually uh articulated where

586
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:20,640
you have this ancient

587
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:23,640
human group that goes underground or

588
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:25,740
some cataclysm happens and they leave

589
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,020
Earth somehow or evolve on a different

590
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:30,960
planet all of that it kind of seems like

591
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:34,380
ridiculous garbage to me because for for

592
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:37,260
a couple reasons one is that there's no

593
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:39,780
evidence of that archaeologically maybe

594
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:41,880
we'll find some someday at which point I

595
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:44,100
would reassess my somewhat critical

596
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:46,260
stance on this

597
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:48,659
um the other problem and this is a very

598
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:50,760
important one is that simple always

599
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:53,220
comes before complex with compounding

600
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,280
culture you have this foundation and

601
00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:59,039
each subsequent generation builds upon

602
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,360
that Foundation it's one of the most

603
00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:03,179
basic principles of cultural Evolution

604
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:07,320
so there's really no way unless and as

605
00:24:12,370 --> 00:24:10,140
your your viewer seemed to indicate

606
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:12,380
unless you have another

607
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,820
extraterrestrial civilization come and

608
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:16,620
abduct people and then you know whatever

609
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,299
can happen I think that's one of the

610
00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:20,760
only ways this can happen or if you have

611
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:23,280
a future human population that is more

612
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:25,080
advanced where you do still have simple

613
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,820
coming before complex and that

614
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:29,159
compounding cultural knowledge evolving

615
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,500
into the future if they came back and

616
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:34,320
jumped over our present then you could

617
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,140
have very complex individuals who

618
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:38,960
technically originated in our future

619
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:41,700
existing in our simple past and they

620
00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:44,700
could even set up you know a whole

621
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,340
civilization in there they might want to

622
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:49,200
especially considering what we've been

623
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:51,240
doing to this planet be more pristine

624
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:54,059
and be more natural so you know you

625
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:56,100
could have an Atlantis you could have a

626
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:58,679
really highly complex civilization that

627
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:01,620
that existed as a complex entity before

628
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:03,900
us but only because they originated from

629
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,200
a more complex future so I see if that

630
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,360
is the case I see the only real

631
00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:12,120
possibilities is not that you had an

632
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:13,640
offshoot per se

633
00:25:18,289 --> 00:25:15,900
because we would see that in the

634
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:18,299
archaeological record or even if they're

635
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,620
living underground which I've heard

636
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:21,059
before like you're not developing

637
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,860
spaceships underground you need to be

638
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:24,960
able to test those and fly them and see

639
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,480
if they work so so that really makes no

640
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,520
sense as far as an actual direct

641
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:31,440
offshoot but if you did have

642
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:33,000
extraterrestrials coming here taking

643
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,400
people from our past doing whatever on

644
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,559
their planet or here in secrecy that's

645
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,720
possibility but that also adds another

646
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,419
assumption that also adds this question

647
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,580
of extraterrestrial life and advanced

648
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,760
extrator real life meddling with us the

649
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,740
simpler explanation might be us because

650
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,600
we know we're here and we are going from

651
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:54,059
simple to complex where they come back

652
00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:56,820
and and set up shop in the past and you

653
00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:58,380
know maybe that helps explain the crypto

654
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:00,779
terrestrials too why you have people

655
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,960
that look just like us but possess the

656
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,000
Clairvoyance and the telepathy and the

657
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:07,980
future knowledge because they came from

658
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:10,500
the future and they have that and they

659
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,059
retain those characteristics while still

660
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,400
physiologically looking just like us so

661
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:16,320
you know if people think they're walking

662
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:17,880
amongst us which there's definitely

663
00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:21,000
evidence for that then I think that that

664
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:23,880
future to pass transmission of culture

665
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:26,039
knowledge and physical entities could

666
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,260
help explain that yeah I mean you know

667
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,120
you mentioned again humans we've talked

668
00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:33,480
about Grays and robotic AI but how do

669
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:34,700
you consider descriptions of

670
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:37,080
non-harmonid type entities such as

671
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:40,380
mantis beings or insectoids

672
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:43,500
yeah I think if they do have six legs

673
00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:46,380
then we should consider the possibility

674
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,500
that we're dealing with insects but from

675
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,200
what I've seen they still are tetrapods

676
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:54,720
they still have four Limbs and lower

677
00:27:02,210 --> 00:26:59,100
limbs legs as we call them and upper

678
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:02,220
legs what we call arms so if they do

679
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,020
have that same configuration which is

680
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,140
ubiquitous among all mammals and most

681
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:10,020
you know non-mammalian life forms too

682
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,820
that aren't insects then we do still

683
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:14,340
need to consider whether or not they are

684
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,159
Earthly tetrapods just like us

685
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:18,960
um you know but if they do have six

686
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:21,059
Limbs and they have claws and things

687
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:22,500
like that then yeah we're definitely not

688
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:25,740
talking about a hominin form my personal

689
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:28,740
take is that once we get so far into the

690
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:30,539
future we're just gonna start looking

691
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,580
less and like less and less like

692
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:36,240
ourselves I mean even when Europeans got

693
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:37,799
on boats and started traveling around

694
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,419
they weren't sure the humans they were

695
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:41,279
coming into contact with with were even

696
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,779
humans they came up with all these

697
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:45,480
cockamami ideas about how their separate

698
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:47,220
creation of God or you know whatever

699
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:49,980
they use to try to justify acts of ultra

700
00:27:54,169 --> 00:27:52,020
violence against them but they didn't

701
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:54,179
even recognize our humanity and these

702
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:56,039
people that look exactly like us except

703
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,779
for some slight differences in skin

704
00:28:02,090 --> 00:27:59,700
color and hair color and texture and

705
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:02,100
things like that so you know I do wonder

706
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,779
if it's that same sort of thing just

707
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,299
projected into the future where once

708
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:08,700
your eyes get big enough especially if

709
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:09,900
they're wearing some kind of contact

710
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,140
lens like a darkened lens because with

711
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,000
huge eyes you would want to shelter them

712
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:18,000
from light to some extent then yeah I

713
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:19,260
mean you could see how it might look

714
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:22,980
like a praying mantis in that regard but

715
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:25,020
if they are walking on two legs with two

716
00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:26,700
arms then I think it's hard to argue

717
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,679
that they are an actual insect

718
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,440
yeah yeah it's interesting now I just

719
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,000
wanted to flip it sort of around to sort

720
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,039
of the science a little bit more or the

721
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,679
scientific community and it seems like

722
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:39,120
we're seeing a lot more scientists

723
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:41,100
looking into this subject so I just like

724
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:42,539
to see you know what your thoughts are

725
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,400
on that you see the stigma sort of

726
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,500
dropping in the sort of scientific

727
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,080
community in Academia

728
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:51,900
oh yeah for sure and it's uh it's great

729
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:54,299
to see honestly it's it's a very

730
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:55,980
welcomed site

731
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,700
um

732
00:29:04,190 --> 00:28:59,220
yeah I just I wrote a whole article

733
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:04,200
about that for the mufon uh Journal I

734
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,120
think it was the March Edition when it

735
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,400
came out just talking about my own

736
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,500
experience and kind of what I've seen

737
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:12,960
over the last four or five years

738
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,720
with regard to how the subject's been

739
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,460
perceived

740
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:20,279
um in Academia and how academics have

741
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:23,580
been perceived who study this and it all

742
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,620
seems to be moving in a positive

743
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,480
direction I mean I can only talk about

744
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:29,279
my own personal experience but it has

745
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:30,179
been

746
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:33,000
quite quite encouraging to be honest

747
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:35,220
from you know the first time I told the

748
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:36,899
chair of my department that I was

749
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,480
working on this book back in 2017 I

750
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,559
think it was

751
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:43,320
he looked at me and said yeah I mean

752
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,480
that's what scientists are supposed to

753
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:47,460
be doing and then just kind of made a

754
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,779
face like why the hell are we even

755
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,520
having this conversation and walked away

756
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,620
like yeah of course you should be doing

757
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:55,500
that it's our job and it is our job I

758
00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:57,480
mean we're supposed to be investigating

759
00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:00,179
the mysterious aspects of the universe

760
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,740
and you know and

761
00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:04,080
asking questions investigating things to

762
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,659
the best of our ability

763
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,580
um but yeah I mean I got asked to teach

764
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:11,520
an honors course at my University about

765
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,460
this research about UFOs about my book

766
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:17,520
specifically I got a a scholarship and

767
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,179
research award from the dean of uh my

768
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:23,460
University last spring right before I

769
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,220
went on sabbatical got a merit award for

770
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:28,559
scholarship and research just a month or

771
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,500
so ago when I was on sabbatical

772
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:33,419
um you know each of my book covers are

773
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:35,700
up in the main lobby of my building they

774
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:37,559
sell my books at the bookstore the

775
00:30:42,529 --> 00:30:40,500
University Bookstore so I I've been very

776
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,539
encouraged by my institution by my

777
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,880
academic colleagues and if that's my

778
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,919
experience I would assume it's the

779
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:49,440
experience of others too I mean

780
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:51,240
obviously waited till I had tenure and

781
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:55,080
full Professor status before I really uh

782
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:57,299
hit the ground running with this just to

783
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,919
make sure those protections are in place

784
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,720
and at this point I would encourage

785
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,820
others to do that too I don't know if an

786
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,140
early stage

787
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:07,440
scientist you know a visiting Professor

788
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:09,779
associate or assistant professor would

789
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,980
really want to stick their necks out

790
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:12,840
without those protections

791
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,440
but I don't know I I see I see

792
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,480
encouraging Trends and and yeah

793
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:21,000
obviously having more academics get into

794
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:24,659
the space is is great I I think the

795
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:26,700
Knowledge and Skills that we can bring

796
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,919
to the table are only going to help I

797
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,080
don't see how they could detract

798
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,299
yeah now it certainly is encouraging and

799
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,220
the congratulations on those those

800
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,980
Awards and and so being you know quite

801
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:40,799
open in the UFO subject how's that led

802
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:42,059
to you being invited to sort of

803
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,799
different events regard you know related

804
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:46,200
to the subject and and if so any kind of

805
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:50,520
standout events that you can talk about

806
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,399
yeah absolutely I mean you know there's

807
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:55,740
a lot of great UFO conferences and and

808
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,220
those were arguably happening before a

809
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:02,340
lot of really academic conferences or if

810
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:04,020
not before

811
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,539
at least in higher numbers

812
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,600
um but yeah I've been fortunate to have

813
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:12,480
been invited to a couple just in the

814
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,220
last year

815
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:16,679
um one put on by Jeff craple at Rice

816
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,020
University opening of The Archives which

817
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:21,120
was the phenomenal I would call Historic

818
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:23,399
what they did there

819
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:25,260
um I got to be on a panel with a number

820
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:28,200
of prominent researchers

821
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:31,020
um Aaron Prophet I remember a professor

822
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:32,940
at University of Florida Eric Wargo

823
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,120
who's written arguably the book on

824
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:38,520
precognition called time Loops which I'd

825
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:41,580
recommend everybody read

826
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:43,320
um and that was a fantastic event

827
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:46,679
Jacques valet Leslie Kane Whitley

828
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:49,799
strieber so many great speakers

829
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:52,740
um Edwin May the head of the Stargate

830
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:55,860
project the CIA a really interesting

831
00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:59,340
talk and and countless others as well

832
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,740
um and then in July I got to give a talk

833
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,380
at the eslin institute in Big Sur

834
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:07,080
California again with a number of uh

835
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,620
prominent phds in various Fields related

836
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:12,120
to

837
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:20,519
lot of those kind of under the radar

838
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,120
Fringe type Fields but just um really

839
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,720
being able to to give a talk in very

840
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:29,519
academic terms you know you never want

841
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:32,039
to be too esoteric when going on a

842
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:34,500
podcast or giving a talk to a UFO

843
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,179
Community but being in a room full of

844
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,000
academics we could all kind of go just a

845
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:40,980
little bit deeper and actually the

846
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:43,380
inspiration for my most recent book came

847
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,659
from that uh one of the co-founders of

848
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:47,519
the eslin Institute guy named Michael

849
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,179
Murphy came up to me after my talk and

850
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:53,039
he was like man I was I was done with

851
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:55,500
this really great guy really uh I think

852
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,899
he's like 93 but he seems like he's in

853
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:59,700
his 50s it's crazy

854
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,500
but he was like you know I was done with

855
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:04,140
UFOs I thought I'd heard everything I'd

856
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,179
seen everything and it just didn't make

857
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,280
any damn sense but your your

858
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,440
presentation you know the future humans

859
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:13,080
this kind of makes sense and I really

860
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:15,060
appreciate he's spelling all this out

861
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:17,399
and then asked me

862
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:21,659
if uh if I if there's any really deep

863
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:26,040
dives into uh sex and music

864
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,440
like with regard to the way the visitors

865
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:31,020
interact with us future humans as I

866
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,139
would argue and I got back from that and

867
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:36,000
I started looking and I couldn't really

868
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,520
find anything that really went deep into

869
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,520
the sex aspect in music specifically

870
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:43,980
there's obviously cases where people do

871
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:46,919
report having sex and and that was a big

872
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,280
uh a big motivator for writing this this

873
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:53,099
book which one of my reviewers called I

874
00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:54,980
think she called me the Danielle Steel

875
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,380
of

876
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:00,660
UFO research or something that's a very

877
00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:04,380
sex sexual book uh also focuses on music

878
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,420
and culture and things like that which

879
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,180
you know stemmed from hey why you know

880
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280
if the gametes are so important if sex

881
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:13,200
and sexuality is so important why aren't

882
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:15,300
we talking about that more so it's

883
00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:16,920
obviously you know it's a satirical

884
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:19,740
science fiction novel but really does

885
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,200
try to draw in all of these same things

886
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:24,300
from my previous two books

887
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,740
um but that's that's definitely a main

888
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:28,560
theme largely thanks to Michael Murphy

889
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,599
yes and this is your new book you

890
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,400
mentioned Revelation the future human

891
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:34,800
past so was it always something you'd

892
00:35:38,349 --> 00:35:36,359
wanted to do is for write a fiction book

893
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:38,359
around this subject

894
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:42,960
uh yeah yes and no like I I kind of saw

895
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:46,380
this is is sort of a three-part thing

896
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:48,660
where there's the first book is kind of

897
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:51,839
the more hard science dense uh Deep dive

898
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,660
into the these four different fields I

899
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:55,980
mentioned earlier

900
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,980
but it's been called dense it's more of

901
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:00,480
a hard read especially if you're not

902
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:02,520
familiar with a lot of these terms but I

903
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,420
I did you know but I had three PhD

904
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,400
reviewers to make sure it appealed to my

905
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,140
academic colleagues but also a number of

906
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:12,420
beta readers to make sure it appealed to

907
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:15,300
everyone I was readable but I is I'll

908
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,060
agree with that critique that it is

909
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,119
somewhat dense whereas the second book

910
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:23,280
um is much more readable it's stories

911
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:25,260
and as this is what happened to people

912
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:27,960
then I bring that science in to sort of

913
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,640
highlight how we might understand these

914
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,980
patterns that exist across these various

915
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,140
case studies and then yeah this one is

916
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,119
kind of that last piece for people that

917
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:38,400
really aren't into science at all but

918
00:36:43,069 --> 00:36:40,859
are still interested in maybe how this

919
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,079
time travel model might be understood in

920
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,780
the context of a purely fictitious story

921
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:47,880
that may actually have more truth in it

922
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,460
than a lot of people realize

923
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,800
um but it's very readable sort of a

924
00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:54,240
funny

925
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:57,900
highly sexual look at the uh the

926
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,700
phenomenon in the context of this future

927
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,560
human hypothesis

928
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:03,540
oh that's amazing I can't wait to read

929
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,920
it it looks amazing and it looks

930
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,660
physically amazing with a very standout

931
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:08,700
cover as well it does yeah they killed

932
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:11,940
it on the cover uh 33

933
00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:14,520
ounce creatives out the Oz stands for it

934
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,359
is yeah yeah Dan and Olaf with um yeah

935
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,579
they made me two covers and it was

936
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,500
really hard to pick which one I was

937
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,720
going to use but one they took some

938
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,579
creative liberties with one of them that

939
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:29,280
were perfect I kind of wonder if they

940
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,900
got a sneak peek at the manuscript

941
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:33,420
honestly it was it was a little too good

942
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:35,640
what they did

943
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,140
um but yeah I know they they knocked it

944
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,880
out of the park I'm I'm as excited about

945
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,040
the cover as I am the book itself they

946
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:44,220
did a great job yeah excellent excellent

947
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:45,960
um just switching back again to sort of

948
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,579
more sort of the uh

949
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:50,220
theories let's say have you considered a

950
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:52,980
shadow biosphere or Shadow biome concept

951
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:55,800
when it comes to this subject

952
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,640
yeah I mean that kind of plays into the

953
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,960
whole

954
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:03,839
um breakout civilization thing to some

955
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:06,420
extent but I just I don't know I mean if

956
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:09,660
there is a shadow biome that is as

957
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,839
complex and advanced and sophisticated

958
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:14,820
as us which I think when you're talking

959
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,500
about the UFO phenomenon it would have

960
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:18,000
to be because they're clearly more

961
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,460
advanced than us then I do think that's

962
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,400
a little more tenuous just because we

963
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,440
would see that more it's harder to hide

964
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:27,599
but you know there could absolutely be

965
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,320
something on the molecular level that

966
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,720
might represent that

967
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,119
I mean you're talking about a lot of

968
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,359
anecdotes and a lot of speculation

969
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,280
is that one of the hardest parts about

970
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,380
combining your research and work with

971
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:45,839
the UFO subject or if it's not what is

972
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:47,160
the sort of the hardest part about

973
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:48,480
researching and writing about this

974
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:49,980
subject for you

975
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,619
I mean I think that's a stereotype yeah

976
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,240
that anytime you're talking about the

977
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,760
future has to be speculation but I I

978
00:39:01,609 --> 00:39:00,000
think that's actually a misnomer and

979
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:01,619
it's sort of unfortunate that people

980
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,200
just default to that because in this

981
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:06,480
particular case if we are talking about

982
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:09,000
the future and we're actually seeing the

983
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,680
craft and the beans coming back from

984
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,960
that future it's not speculation at all

985
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,599
right it's not speculating about what

986
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:16,800
we're going to be it's actual

987
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:19,320
observational research which at the top

988
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,540
of the show I said is kind of our Forte

989
00:39:25,690 --> 00:39:23,520
that's what we do and anthropology is

990
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,700
observational research because we can't

991
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,200
experiment on humans so it is kind of

992
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:31,380
annoying when I hear that because it's

993
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:34,200
not speculation if you are quantifying

994
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:37,500
and trying to understand the things that

995
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:39,420
you're seeing that it doesn't matter if

996
00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:40,980
they come from our future past if

997
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,320
they're present in our reality our

998
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:45,119
current present then you can do

999
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:46,980
observational studies the same way you

1000
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:49,560
can with anything else the same way we

1001
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,740
have Foss muscles from the past we see

1002
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,839
them in our present they've lost the

1003
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:56,579
soft tissue obviously but we can still

1004
00:40:01,490 --> 00:39:59,880
use what we see to make educated guesses

1005
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,500
about what happened between now and then

1006
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,560
so and I really I hit this hard in my

1007
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:06,800
first book Is that I did try to avoid

1008
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:10,140
anything that could be considered just

1009
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,540
on a baited speculation where we're

1010
00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:14,160
saying well we look like that because

1011
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,619
this happened and that caused us to have

1012
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:18,660
this physical characteristic or these

1013
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,240
behaviors I I really steered away from

1014
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:23,280
that and try to just stick to dominant

1015
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:25,980
Trends throughout the hominin past and

1016
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,099
how those might correlate with what we

1017
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:31,200
do actually observe in these craft and

1018
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,960
the beans themselves so yeah I mean I

1019
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,280
think that's kind of a knee-jerk

1020
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:37,020
reaction that a lot of people have but

1021
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:39,900
if if they are from the future and they

1022
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:41,700
are here in our present and that's not

1023
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:44,760
speculation it's observation yeah I'm

1024
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,140
going to mention there as well about

1025
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,200
anecdotes and anecdotal evidence I.E

1026
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,260
stories from experiences I think that's

1027
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:54,240
been

1028
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:56,579
and looked over a bit too much in my in

1029
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:58,200
my opinion you know people say well it's

1030
00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:59,940
just it's just a story we'll kind of

1031
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,800
brush it aside so you know I believe

1032
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,300
that experiences stories should

1033
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,040
definitely be heard and respected and

1034
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,140
taken seriously so it seems like you

1035
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,940
agree with that yeah yeah and if you

1036
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,040
have enough of them then it's content

1037
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:13,440
analysis it's that abductive approach I

1038
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,760
mentioned earlier if you're just looking

1039
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:17,099
at one or two yeah that's anecdote but

1040
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,859
if you start really going deep into a

1041
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,079
number of these and and with big data

1042
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:25,140
and possibly AI we might be able to

1043
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,300
really accumulate a massive database

1044
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:29,400
that allows us to do content analysis

1045
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,560
over thousands and thousands of cases

1046
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,300
and you you do have people doing that

1047
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:35,280
like with the Dr Edgar Mitchell free

1048
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,320
study I mean they have upwards of five

1049
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:40,400
thousand individuals now Multicultural

1050
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,079
multi-linguistic study where they're

1051
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:46,560
using surveys which is also a valid form

1052
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,220
of research and you know there's there's

1053
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,079
always issues with surveys but that's

1054
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,180
not anecdote anymore now you're seeing

1055
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,460
mean statistically what people most

1056
00:42:00,430 --> 00:41:58,800
commonly report and to tie it into what

1057
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,440
we're talking about earlier with the the

1058
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,820
insects the reptilians things like that

1059
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,040
that research has shown that that's only

1060
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:07,200
about five percent and not just those

1061
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:10,260
two but every other thing that's not a

1062
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,780
tall gray short gray human which was the

1063
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,640
most commonly described a full-on human

1064
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:17,579
or a hybrid all four of those the first

1065
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,180
four categories are entirely human

1066
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,160
hominin entities just with various forms

1067
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,880
of of evolutionary variation so yeah I

1068
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:28,680
mean we can look at things like that we

1069
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,380
can do content analysis we can do big

1070
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:34,560
data analyzes we can even what I'd like

1071
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,859
to do some days is model our physiology

1072
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,900
our morphological form

1073
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:42,359
into the future see what we get I did

1074
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:43,800
something similar to that in my first

1075
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,380
book I used the geometric morphometric

1076
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:49,680
approach to shift between a fully

1077
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,619
uh entirely male versus an entirely

1078
00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:54,720
female skull because one dominant Trend

1079
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:56,820
and recent hominin Evolution ever since

1080
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,339
about 20 or 30 000 years ago is a shift

1081
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,440
toward craniofacial feminization where

1082
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:03,900
we all males and females start to look

1083
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:06,180
more like the females of our ancestors

1084
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:08,040
and if that Trend continues what I found

1085
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,400
is that we have these big round medial

1086
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:13,440
laterally expanded heads the eyes start

1087
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:14,760
wrapping around we have these small

1088
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:16,740
faces we start to look more like the

1089
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,260
Grays so if that is a trend that

1090
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,119
continues into the future based on this

1091
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:24,060
geometric morphometric analysis it looks

1092
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:25,800
like that is something that would also

1093
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:28,440
help explain why we might look like that

1094
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,599
why they look like that and why we may

1095
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:33,480
be related yeah and I just had a thought

1096
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:34,700
then if we're seeing different

1097
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:37,260
variations on what we would call the

1098
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,819
Grays could it be that we're being

1099
00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:41,280
visited by them from different stages of

1100
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:43,619
the future oh yeah we're seeing the

1101
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,440
different Evolution evolutional steps of

1102
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,440
this this future entity absolutely yeah

1103
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,020
and and that's that's what I argue in

1104
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,119
both my books I refer to it as temporal

1105
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,160
variation right now we have Geographic

1106
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:58,380
variation we can see but that's also

1107
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,420
temporal in the sense that what we see

1108
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:02,760
is how those populations evolved in

1109
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,119
those regions over the last 200 to 300

1110
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:09,440
000 years so it's both and and with this

1111
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:14,040
you know I I sort of delve into how much

1112
00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:16,140
of it is continued Geographic variation

1113
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,900
into the future or how much of it like

1114
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:20,579
you said is that temporal variation

1115
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:21,960
where we're coming back from different

1116
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,660
points in our future and therefore look

1117
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:26,880
different than one another and and

1118
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:28,920
that's another thing I overlooked in my

1119
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,540
first book because I was really just

1120
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:32,880
purely focused on these these archetypal

1121
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,119
gray aliens but left out the obvious

1122
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:38,460
fact that will probably be time

1123
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,220
traveling way before that and if they're

1124
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,560
able to reach this point and are present

1125
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,660
and previous points then we already have

1126
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:47,040
time travel

1127
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,180
can possibly reach because they could

1128
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:52,800
pick someone up from that time and move

1129
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:54,599
them to whenever the hell they want it

1130
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,060
to so I that seemed like an obvious

1131
00:45:01,309 --> 00:44:59,760
Omission to me once I started reading

1132
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,319
more reports and researching the second

1133
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:03,960
book where a lot of them are just humans

1134
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:06,359
just like uh still not quite to the

1135
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:07,380
point where they're speaking

1136
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,420
telepathically but speaking with

1137
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,400
vocalized speech they have kitchens and

1138
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,440
bathrooms and they're doing the same

1139
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:14,880
things that we do they're seen

1140
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:17,160
exercising outside the craft and picking

1141
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,020
up grasshoppers to collect data about

1142
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:21,300
the environment and they look exactly

1143
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:24,359
like us so so it made me realize that

1144
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,099
this was probably going to be happening

1145
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:28,680
much sooner than I previously thought

1146
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:32,160
and um yeah I think it would also help

1147
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,619
explain why we see them more often based

1148
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,500
on the Dr Edgar Mitchell free study

1149
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,020
is that if you have this point in time

1150
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:42,900
we have temporal proximity to points

1151
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,660
closer to us we're we're more obvious to

1152
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:47,640
them because we exist closer to them the

1153
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,280
farther out you get with these more gray

1154
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:52,680
like beans or these more manted or

1155
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,359
reptilian like creatures that are maybe

1156
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:56,280
in our very distant future where one

1157
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:58,980
tiny blip on their overall temporal

1158
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:01,079
Spectrum so we would expect therefore to

1159
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,000
see them less often and I made the

1160
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,700
analogy recently with Geographic

1161
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:07,380
variation how you expect to see people

1162
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:09,060
in your neighborhood much more

1163
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:10,619
frequently than you do someone that

1164
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,619
lives in China or you know Mozambique or

1165
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,660
Indonesia or something like that simply

1166
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:17,220
because you move around in that space

1167
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:19,079
more often so I think that could help

1168
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:22,260
account for for that result in the free

1169
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:24,660
study as well that makes so much sense

1170
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:27,000
yeah it's a lot of food for thought in

1171
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:28,020
there

1172
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:29,460
um I just wanted to move to something

1173
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,099
slightly off the topic of UFOs for a

1174
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:34,260
moment and I just wanted to if you

1175
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:36,180
looked into and if so what your thoughts

1176
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:37,940
are on and I'll say this

1177
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:40,500
homophoriensis because there seems to be

1178
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,020
somewhat of an anthropo anthropological

1179
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:46,200
debate surrounding them yeah yeah I know

1180
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,180
I know all about that one

1181
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,060
um one of my favorite anthropologists

1182
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:54,240
Peter Brown was deep deep into that

1183
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:56,339
debate about whether it was a genetic

1184
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:59,819
deformity or Island dwarfism

1185
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:01,260
um that yeah that was raging when I was

1186
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,060
in grad school and I used a lot of Peter

1187
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:05,040
Brown's data for my own dissertation

1188
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:08,940
research and it was unavoidable it would

1189
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,640
eventually come across that but yeah

1190
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:13,859
even beyond that question there but

1191
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,920
tremendously interesting group

1192
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:18,359
um they

1193
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:20,520
you know we're doing cave paintings long

1194
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:23,099
before Alaska uh which I just got to

1195
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:25,319
visit a couple weeks ago actually it was

1196
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:27,180
kind of a bucket list item the whole

1197
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:30,540
door down region honestly is fantastic

1198
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,240
but getting to go there is a place of

1199
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:35,880
you know researched and written about

1200
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:38,700
extensively it was phenomenal but yeah

1201
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,940
like almost three times before the Lasko

1202
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,619
cave paintings were done they were

1203
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:44,940
making

1204
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,000
um pictures of little pigs and and

1205
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,160
things like that but

1206
00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:52,319
um yeah no amazing group

1207
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,119
um it's it's so fun to imagine them

1208
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,339
running around and you know hunting

1209
00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:58,800
little baby elephants tiny Island

1210
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,460
dwarfed elephants and uh yeah a cool

1211
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,040
group of people for sure they they show

1212
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:06,960
up in my new book too

1213
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,180
um because one of the first time periods

1214
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:12,480
visited by these future humans is 48 000

1215
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,780
years ago in the dordon river valley of

1216
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:17,940
uh southern France and then also in

1217
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:21,480
Indonesia with the Flores Hobbits many

1218
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:22,980
other places

1219
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,260
wow that's interesting

1220
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:26,640
I'm just going to switch to a couple of

1221
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,619
questions before we we start winding

1222
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,480
down here I got a question from a

1223
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:32,940
follower on Twitter and he said that in

1224
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,440
a recent interview you expressed

1225
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:36,240
interest in possibly looking into the

1226
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,819
testimony of dambarish a purported Area

1227
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:41,280
51 whistleblower which personally I

1228
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,560
think is quite controversial but he did

1229
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:45,660
claim that the euphenots were future

1230
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:47,460
human Time Travelers I just wondered if

1231
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:48,780
it is something that you'd looked into

1232
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:50,280
yet

1233
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:53,880
I did yeah I mean I I looked into it

1234
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:56,520
again recently just because it did come

1235
00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:59,640
up and that podcast and I I didn't

1236
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:01,380
really remember a lot

1237
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:03,660
during that and then

1238
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:07,740
yeah I found it really hard to find any

1239
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,619
reliable sources

1240
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:12,720
um and I feel like that was sort of an

1241
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:14,700
issue the first time too which is why I

1242
00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:16,200
was kind of wishy-washy on the little

1243
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,119
subject in the last conversation about

1244
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,599
it but even in looking again

1245
00:49:28,210 --> 00:49:24,540
uh I I don't know like like for instance

1246
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,220
I saw claims that this Dan bursh guy

1247
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:30,960
claims to have worked with this j-rod

1248
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:32,540
that

1249
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,099
was in 1950 and Birch wasn't even born

1250
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:40,800
till 1963 so I couldn't figure out how

1251
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,020
that could have happened

1252
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,119
um unless you know he's done traveling

1253
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:47,280
too and if j-rod's a time traveler maybe

1254
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:50,819
maybe that that all took place but no it

1255
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:52,380
is interesting you know and there's

1256
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:54,780
obviously things that sync up with what

1257
00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:57,720
I'm saying but I'm not going to give

1258
00:50:01,970 --> 00:50:00,180
them more Credence because it happens to

1259
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:01,980
correlate with what I'm saying I I found

1260
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:03,480
it really difficult to find anything

1261
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,819
reliable and then you know I was reading

1262
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,140
something about

1263
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,900
how j-rod you know maybe died or got

1264
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:12,540
sent through a portal and abidos Egypt

1265
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:14,579
which interestingly comes up a lot in

1266
00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:16,619
the homesteady case

1267
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,220
so yeah I don't know I'm I'm still

1268
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:22,079
sitting High atop the fence on that one

1269
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,380
dangling both legs on both sides

1270
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:27,300
don't think that's possible one leg on

1271
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,339
either side I guess is how that would

1272
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,280
work oh yeah yeah but yeah I don't I

1273
00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:34,319
don't know is Dan Burr still alive why

1274
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,819
why aren't people asking him these

1275
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:37,040
questions

1276
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:39,180
but it certainly was something that I

1277
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,160
encountered that that story in the

1278
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,960
earlier days of when I was first in this

1279
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,940
subject and it you know it sounded so

1280
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,700
incredible but then it did fall apart

1281
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,440
the sort of more you look into it so

1282
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,839
yeah and with many things there could be

1283
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,480
elements of Truth sure and and there's

1284
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:57,000
obviously there's no doubt that many

1285
00:51:02,089 --> 00:50:59,099
things are intentionally

1286
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:02,099
muddied uh the rendersham case was one

1287
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,540
of those you know they try to take

1288
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:05,880
everybody's account and just mix them

1289
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:07,980
all up so nobody had the right date and

1290
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:11,099
time for anything and and they they did

1291
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,800
that intentionally they being the ones

1292
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,660
who have always known about this and

1293
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:17,880
have taken great measures to cover it up

1294
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:20,220
and confuse us and to keep it out of the

1295
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,720
the mainstream

1296
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,059
cultural Zeitgeist of any of these

1297
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:25,680
various periods so that that could have

1298
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:28,260
happened with the burish case too

1299
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:30,599
um it just you never know we're not in a

1300
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:31,980
place where we can really say anything

1301
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,460
for sure right now yeah absolutely I've

1302
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:37,440
got a question here from Jason he asks

1303
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:39,540
if Dr Masters was tapped to join a team

1304
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:41,940
of time traveling scientists where would

1305
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:43,619
he go what would he want to learn and

1306
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:50,930
um I actually would want to go to the

1307
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:55,260
future if I was taken aboard one of

1308
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,500
these alleged time machines

1309
00:52:01,549 --> 00:52:00,000
um just to know I mean I wouldn't have

1310
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:01,559
to do anything wouldn't have to run any

1311
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:03,000
experiments I could just go to the

1312
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:04,619
Future after they already did all of

1313
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,599
that and be like case what about this

1314
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:09,000
what will happen there you know is there

1315
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:10,440
a god what's the beginning of the

1316
00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:12,900
universe what's the meaning of life

1317
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:15,900
are we in a simulation you know how's

1318
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:18,420
the hive mind Consciousness work how do

1319
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:19,980
you do that you know like all these

1320
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:22,920
things that I would love to know about

1321
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:24,780
um that you can't know from going

1322
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:26,040
backward

1323
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:28,140
but with that said I mean that was a big

1324
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:30,540
part about writing this most recent book

1325
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:33,900
which actually goes to uh be formatted

1326
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:34,980
tomorrow

1327
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:37,260
which is kind of exciting and would be

1328
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:40,740
out June 1st I think or slightly after

1329
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:43,680
that was a big part of it for me that's

1330
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:45,660
what kind of started it along with

1331
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,700
Michael Murphy's what about sex

1332
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:50,640
question is is where would I go what

1333
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,740
would I be interested and I could kind

1334
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,440
of put myself in the mindset of these

1335
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,079
Time Travelers who come back from the

1336
00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:00,720
future pick me up go to the Past you

1337
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,099
know where where are we going what are

1338
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:03,839
we doing who are we encountering what

1339
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,460
are we doing with them

1340
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,280
um what are we learning from them so

1341
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:11,040
yeah if that I mean I I wrote

1342
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,280
you know a 350 page book answering that

1343
00:53:19,309 --> 00:53:16,680
very question that should be out in a

1344
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:19,319
couple weeks fantastic but listen Before

1345
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:20,700
I Let You Go if you could just tell us

1346
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:22,260
about any future projects that you might

1347
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:23,700
be working on or anything that you think

1348
00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:27,240
you'd like to you know to bring up

1349
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:30,119
um yeah I don't know I mean just uh

1350
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,700
getting this last book out

1351
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:35,040
um a couple conferences we'll be giving

1352
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:38,700
a talk in Phoenix next weekend part of a

1353
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:42,960
mu fun event down there uh the main

1354
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:46,440
muffon Symposium in August

1355
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:48,540
um doing a couple documentary things

1356
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:52,440
various TV things from time to time

1357
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,619
yeah that's about it just um you know

1358
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,599
talking to good folks like you and

1359
00:54:01,549 --> 00:54:00,300
having conversations with with good

1360
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:01,559
people with

1361
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,740
a lot of questions like we all have so

1362
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,200
that's about it really nah it's much

1363
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:09,540
appreciated I know everyone there loves

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listening to what you've got to say and

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uh I do too and I really want to thank

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you for coming on today it's always

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really fascinating So yeah thank you

1368
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thank you Vinnie it's always great

1369
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talking to you as well thanks and

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everyone that's in the live chat thank

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you so much you've all been a really

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calm cool collected as always and I

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really do appreciate that I'm gonna be

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back next week where Katie Howland will

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be returning to co-host and we'll be

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talking with veteran ufologist Alan

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Green Greenfield I'm gonna get that

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wrong now yeah sorry uh yeah guys see